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Paul Leyland

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Aug 29, 2006, 7:52:49 AM8/29/06
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The information given below does not appear to be on the Royal Mail's web
site. A google search turned it up, but only in the cache. The DTI page
in question has either been moved or deleted. In any event, their search
engine didn't show it when I went looking.


Unaddressed Mail and Leaflets delivered by Royal Mail

Consumers can also reduce the amount of unsolicited unaddressed mail and
leaflets they receive (addressed to occupier and householder etc) by
registering with:

Royal Mail Door to Door Opt Out,
Room 130
Wheatstone House
Faraday Rd
Swindon, SN3 5JW

Tel: 0845 7905 950
Email: opt...@royalmail.co.uk or mediacentre.cu...@royalmail.co.uk

Presumably this posting will also be cached in various places for future
reference.

Paul
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Paul Leyland <pc...@gen.cam.ac.uk> | Hanging on in quiet desperation is
Dept. of Genetics, Cambridge University | the English way.
Downing Street, Cambridge, CB2 3EH, UK | The time is gone, the song is over.
Tel: +44-1223-333963 Fax: +44-1223-333992 | Thought I'd something more to say.

Roland Perry

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Aug 29, 2006, 8:08:56 AM8/29/06
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In message <vp04pvv...@pugwash.gen.cam.ac.uk>, at 12:52:49 on Tue,
29 Aug 2006, Paul Leyland <pc...@gen.cam.ac.uk> remarked:

>The information given below does not appear to be on the Royal Mail's web
>site. A google search turned it up, but only in the cache. The DTI page
>in question has either been moved or deleted. In any event, their search
>engine didn't show it when I went looking.
>
>
>Unaddressed Mail and Leaflets delivered by Royal Mail
>
>Consumers can also reduce the amount of unsolicited unaddressed mail and
>leaflets they receive (addressed to occupier and householder etc) by
>registering with:
>
>Royal Mail Door to Door Opt Out,
>Room 130
>Wheatstone House
>Faraday Rd
>Swindon, SN3 5JW
>
>Tel: 0845 7905 950
>Email: opt...@royalmail.co.uk or mediacentre.cu...@royalmail.co.uk

Did you see this news story today:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5294708.stm

"A postman who advised people how to stop junk mail being
delivered to their home could lose his job after bosses
suspended him for misconduct."
--
Roland Perry

Paul Gotch

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Aug 29, 2006, 8:27:41 AM8/29/06
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> "A postman who advised people how to stop junk mail being
> delivered to their home could lose his job after bosses
> suspended him for misconduct."

Makes sense at least from Royal Mail's point of view. A very large
proportion of Royal Mails revenue is derived from delivering junk mail. They
don't want to bite hand that feeds them.

-p
--
Gotch, n. A corpulent beer-jug of some strong ware.
Gotch, v. To surprise with a remark that negates or usurps a remark
that has just been made.
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Dave {Reply Address In.sig}

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Aug 29, 2006, 9:03:50 AM8/29/06
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Paul Gotch wrote:
> Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5294708.stm
>
>> "A postman who advised people how to stop junk mail being
>> delivered to their home could lose his job after bosses
>> suspended him for misconduct."
>
> Makes sense at least from Royal Mail's point of view. A very large
> proportion of Royal Mails revenue is derived from delivering junk mail. They
> don't want to bite hand that feeds them.
>
That's partly why I haven't opted out of all the unaddressed junk, I
know it's subsidising my use of the service.

--
Dave
mail da v...@llondel.org (without the space)
http://www.llondel.org
So many gadgets, so little time

Paul Leyland

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Aug 29, 2006, 9:23:24 AM8/29/06
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Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> writes:


Why do you think I went searching? Until that report came along I didn't
even know it was possible to get the PO not to send me unaddressed junk
mail. I've long been registered with the addressed mail, the fax and the
telephone equivalents.

Jon Connell

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Aug 29, 2006, 9:24:41 AM8/29/06
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Paul Leyland wrote:
> Consumers can also reduce the amount of unsolicited unaddressed mail and
> leaflets they receive (addressed to occupier and householder etc) by
> registering with:
>
> Royal Mail Door to Door Opt Out,
> Room 130
> Wheatstone House
> Faraday Rd
> Swindon, SN3 5JW

Didn't work for me. I still get the same amount of crud.

Jon

Paul Leyland

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Aug 29, 2006, 9:32:12 AM8/29/06
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Paul Leyland <pc...@gen.cam.ac.uk> writes:

> The information given below does not appear to be on the Royal Mail's web
> site. A google search turned it up, but only in the cache. The DTI page
> in question has either been moved or deleted. In any event, their search
> engine didn't show it when I went looking.
>
>
> Unaddressed Mail and Leaflets delivered by Royal Mail
>
> Consumers can also reduce the amount of unsolicited unaddressed mail and
> leaflets they receive (addressed to occupier and householder etc) by
> registering with:
>
> Royal Mail Door to Door Opt Out,
> Room 130
> Wheatstone House
> Faraday Rd
> Swindon, SN3 5JW
>
> Tel: 0845 7905 950
> Email: opt...@royalmail.co.uk or mediacentre.cu...@royalmail.co.uk

An email to optout@ elicited slightly different information. The postal
address has changed and they now claim not to be able to prevent delivery
of mail addressed Theo. C. Cupier.

The current address, it appears, is

Royal Mail Door to Door

Kingsmead House
Oxpens Road
OXFORD
OX1 1RX


I know the place well, having lived just down the road from there.

Message has been deleted

Roland Perry

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Aug 29, 2006, 9:33:09 AM8/29/06
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In message <miqds3-...@llondel.org>, at 13:03:50 on Tue, 29 Aug
2006, Dave {Reply Address In.sig} <noone$$@llondel.org> remarked:

>>A very large
>> proportion of Royal Mails revenue is derived from delivering junk mail. They
>> don't want to bite hand that feeds them.
>>
>That's partly why I haven't opted out of all the unaddressed junk, I
>know it's subsidising my use of the service.

But think of the Children^H^H^H trees!
--
Roland Perry

Chris Forecast

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Aug 29, 2006, 9:47:30 AM8/29/06
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"Jon Connell" <j...@no-pork-products-please.figsandfudge.com> wrote in
message news:ed1f6p$so5$1...@cam-news1.cambridge.arm.com...

> Didn't work for me. I still get the same amount of crud.

Works very well for me.

Chris Forecast


Sarah Cooper

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Aug 29, 2006, 9:56:15 AM8/29/06
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In article <vp0fyff...@pugwash.gen.cam.ac.uk>, pc...@gen.cam.ac.uk
(Paul Leyland) wrote:


> An email to optout@ elicited slightly different information. The postal
> address has changed and they now claim not to be able to prevent
> delivery
> of mail addressed Theo. C. Cupier.
>
> The current address, it appears, is
>
> Royal Mail Door to Door
> Kingsmead House
> Oxpens Road
> OXFORD
> OX1 1RX
>
>
> I know the place well, having lived just down the road from there.

hasn't made a jot of difference to me (I used the new address) :-((

--
SCoop

Rupert Moss-Eccardt

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Aug 29, 2006, 10:07:03 AM8/29/06
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Paul Leyland wrote:
[snip]

>>
>> Tel: 0845 7905 950
>> Email: opt...@royalmail.co.uk or mediacentre.cu...@royalmail.co.uk
>
> An email to optout@ elicited slightly different information. The postal
> address has changed and they now claim not to be able to prevent delivery
> of mail addressed Theo. C. Cupier.
>
> The current address, it appears, is
>
> Royal Mail Door to Door
> Kingsmead House
> Oxpens Road
> OXFORD
> OX1 1RX
>
>
> I know the place well, having lived just down the road from there.

I've had a reply from them asking if I _really_ want to opt out. They
warn me that I won't get anything that isn't addressed to me, including
any government leaflets. Difficult choice :-)

Paul Oldham

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Aug 29, 2006, 10:37:16 AM8/29/06
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As discussed here recently you need to talk to your post person and tell
them you're opted out. IME this works except when they're having a week off.

--
Paul Oldham ----------> http://the-hug.org/paul
Milton villager ------> http://www.miltonvillage.org.uk/
and FAQ wiki owner ---> http://cam.misc.org.uk
"Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations?"

Chris

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Aug 29, 2006, 10:59:17 AM8/29/06
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Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:

> I've had a reply from them asking if I _really_ want to opt out. They
> warn me that I won't get anything that isn't addressed to me, including
> any government leaflets. Difficult choice :-)

Good point - I think the electoral roll form is usually addressed to
'The Occupier' or something similar.

Roland Perry

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Aug 29, 2006, 11:20:00 AM8/29/06
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In message <11568638...@storm.cam.harlequin.co.uk>, at 14:59:17 on
Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Chris <ch...@berimbadgerbau.co.uk> remarked:

>Good point - I think the electoral roll form is usually addressed to
>'The Occupier' or something similar.

I have one here: it's addressed to "The Present Occupiers".

As such, I suspect it doesn't qualify for the
whatever-Consignia-is-called-this-week opt-out for unaddressed mail.
--
Roland Perry

Paul Oldham

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Aug 29, 2006, 11:21:18 AM8/29/06
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... but it's addressed so it gets through even if you're opted out. For
us SCDC seem to rely on their magazine and the County on "blow ins" to
the free paper so being opted out doesn't stop stuff from government.

--
Paul Oldham ----------> http://the-hug.org/paul
Milton villager ------> http://www.miltonvillage.org.uk/
and FAQ wiki owner ---> http://cam.misc.org.uk

"Timing has an awful lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance"

Martin Saxon

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Aug 29, 2006, 12:40:16 PM8/29/06
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Paul Leyland wrote:
> The information given below does not appear to be on the Royal Mail's web
> site. A google search turned it up, but only in the cache. The DTI page
> in question has either been moved or deleted. In any event, their search
> engine didn't show it when I went looking.
>
>
> Unaddressed Mail and Leaflets delivered by Royal Mail
>
> Consumers can also reduce the amount of unsolicited unaddressed mail and
> leaflets they receive (addressed to occupier and householder etc) by
> registering with:
>
> Royal Mail Door to Door Opt Out,
> Room 130
> Wheatstone House
> Faraday Rd
> Swindon, SN3 5JW
>
> Tel: 0845 7905 950
> Email: opt...@royalmail.co.uk or mediacentre.cu...@royalmail.co.uk
>
>
>
> Presumably this posting will also be cached in various places for future
> reference.

An article on Radio 4 PM just now pointed the listeners at
<http://www.mydm.co.uk> so that they can find out just how wonderful
junk mail is.

In particular, <http://www.mydm.co.uk/control-dm-faq.html#q10 says this:

""""""
How do I stop flyers that come through my letter box and unaddressed mail?

At present there is not one single service that stops all such
promotional material but the DMA are looking into developing such a
scheme. You can however stop a significant proportion of unaddressed
mail (door drops) by contacting Royal Mail on 01793 483853 to request an
application form.
""""""

--
Martin
Music at www.martinsaxon.co.uk

Sarah Cooper

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Aug 29, 2006, 12:38:29 PM8/29/06
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In article <bSXIg.20436$vu2....@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>,
r.moss-...@computer.org (Rupert Moss-Eccardt) wrote:


> I've had a reply from them asking if I _really_ want to opt out. They
> warn me that I won't get anything that isn't addressed to me, including
> any government leaflets. Difficult choice :-)
>

Yeah, I thought long and hard about that one too, for at least, ooh, a
picosecond?

--
SCoop

dot cix dot co dot uk

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Aug 29, 2006, 1:35:00 PM8/29/06
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In article <ed1foj$vqb$1...@news.datemas.de>, scra...@fenrir.org.uk (Brian
Morrison) wrote:

> I'm sure you'll find that they are required to provide a mechanism to
> opt out of junk mail delivery, but making that mechanism impossible to
> find is not exactly the spirit of what was intended.

It reminds me of the location of the demolition order on Arthur Dent's
house in HHGTTG, in a locked filing cabinet in a disused toilet with
"Beware of the Leopard" on the door.

Message has been deleted

Alan Levy

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Aug 29, 2006, 1:56:22 PM8/29/06
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Martin Saxon <mar...@msaxon.com> wrote:

>Paul Leyland wrote:
>> The information given below does not appear to be on the Royal Mail's web
>> site. A google search turned it up, but only in the cache. The DTI page
>> in question has either been moved or deleted. In any event, their search
>> engine didn't show it when I went looking.
>>
>>
>> Unaddressed Mail and Leaflets delivered by Royal Mail
>>
>> Consumers can also reduce the amount of unsolicited unaddressed mail and
>> leaflets they receive (addressed to occupier and householder etc) by
>> registering with:
>>

out of date address snipped


>>
>> Email: opt...@royalmail.co.uk or mediacentre.cu...@royalmail.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>> Presumably this posting will also be cached in various places for future
>> reference.
>
>An article on Radio 4 PM just now pointed the listeners at
><http://www.mydm.co.uk> so that they can find out just how wonderful
>junk mail is.
>
>In particular, <http://www.mydm.co.uk/control-dm-faq.html#q10 says this:
>
>""""""
>How do I stop flyers that come through my letter box and unaddressed mail?
>
>At present there is not one single service that stops all such
>promotional material but the DMA are looking into developing such a
>scheme. You can however stop a significant proportion of unaddressed
>mail (door drops) by contacting Royal Mail on 01793 483853 to request an
>application form.
>""""""

A quick Google came up with the following useful looking site:

http://www.junk-mail.org.uk/

As well as lots of useful links addresses etc, it provides forms for
specific opt outs (e.g. banks, credit card issuers, insurance
companies etc.). It also has the latest postal address for the Royal
Mail Door to Door Opt out, although I wouldn't be at all surprised if
the postbox at this address is actually underneath a filing cabinet in
the basement.
--
Alan Levy (alan...@delete-this-first-ntlworld.com)
Delete the spoiler to reply by email!

Chris Forecast

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Aug 29, 2006, 2:15:49 PM8/29/06
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"Rupert Moss-Eccardt" <r.moss-...@computer.org> wrote in message
news:bSXIg.20436$vu2....@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...

> I've had a reply from them asking if I _really_ want to opt out. They warn
> me that I won't get anything that isn't addressed to me, including any
> government leaflets. Difficult choice :-)

I wonder if the fact that I'm opted out was the reason why I didn't get a
copy of the new Royal Mail price/size guide? According to the Royal Mail
website "We've sent a copy of the Size Guide to every address in the UK",
but I don't know whether they were actually individually addressed.

Chris Forecast


Rupert Moss-Eccardt

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Aug 29, 2006, 2:16:07 PM8/29/06
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Paul Oldham wrote:
> On 29/08/06 15:59 Chris wrote:
>
>> Rupert Moss-Eccardt wrote:
>>
>>> I've had a reply from them asking if I _really_ want to opt out. They
>>> warn me that I won't get anything that isn't addressed to me,
>>> including any government leaflets. Difficult choice :-)
>>
>> Good point - I think the electoral roll form is usually addressed to
>> 'The Occupier' or something similar.
>
> .... but it's addressed so it gets through even if you're opted out. For
> us SCDC seem to rely on their magazine and the County on "blow ins" to
> the free paper so being opted out doesn't stop stuff from government.

I suppose they are talking about the 'Protect and Survive' type stuff.
Umm.

Sarah Cooper

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Aug 29, 2006, 2:33:52 PM8/29/06
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In article <0dOdnY35pPQfGWnZ...@pipex.net>,
chris_ng1@-nospam-chrisforecast.co.uk (Chris Forecast) wrote:

>
> I wonder if the fact that I'm opted out was the reason why I didn't get
> a copy of the new Royal Mail price/size guide? According to the Royal
> Mail website "We've sent a copy of the Size Guide to every address in
> the UK", but I don't know whether they were actually individually
> addressed.
>
> Chris Forecast
>
>
>

just shoved through the door unaddressed IIRC.

--
SCoop

Roland Perry

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Aug 29, 2006, 2:29:47 PM8/29/06
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In message <0dOdnY35pPQfGWnZ...@pipex.net>, at 19:15:49 on
Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Chris Forecast <chris_ng1@-nospam-chrisforecast.co.uk>
remarked:

>"We've sent a copy of the Size Guide to every address in the UK",
>but I don't know whether they were actually individually addressed.

Of course they weren't.
--
Roland Perry

Paul Oldham

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Aug 29, 2006, 2:34:31 PM8/29/06
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Funnily enough we got that one, but I don't think it was delivered by
Royal Mail.

--
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Milton villager ------> http://www.miltonvillage.org.uk/
and FAQ wiki owner ---> http://cam.misc.org.uk

"Everyone seems normal until you get to know them"

Kevin Symonds

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Aug 29, 2006, 3:25:41 PM8/29/06
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"Sarah Cooper"

> just shoved through the door unaddressed IIRC.<

I got one in the actual post adddressed to me.

Kevin


CWatters

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Aug 29, 2006, 3:59:38 PM8/29/06
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"Paul Leyland" <pc...@gen.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:vp0lkp7...@pugwash.gen.cam.ac.uk...

> Why do you think I went searching? Until that report came along I didn't
> even know it was possible to get the PO not to send me unaddressed junk
> mail.

Nor me. That postie has done us all a favour. Hope everything works out ok
for him.

According to comments by post office management in the Times you have to use
the right form. Simply writing to them isn't enough.


CWatters

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Aug 29, 2006, 4:00:05 PM8/29/06
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"Paul Leyland" <pc...@gen.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:vp04pvv...@pugwash.gen.cam.ac.uk...

> Consumers can also reduce the amount of unsolicited unaddressed mail and
> leaflets they receive (addressed to occupier and householder etc) by
> registering with:
>
> Royal Mail Door to Door Opt Out,
> Room 130
> Wheatstone House
> Faraday Rd
> Swindon, SN3 5JW
>
> Tel: 0845 7905 950
> Email: opt...@royalmail.co.uk or
mediacentre.cu...@royalmail.co.uk

According to comments by post office management in the Times you have to use

CWatters

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Aug 29, 2006, 4:00:22 PM8/29/06
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"Jon Connell" <j...@no-pork-products-please.figsandfudge.com> wrote in
message news:ed1f6p$so5$1...@cam-news1.cambridge.arm.com...

According to comments by post office management in the Times you have to use

Douglas de Lacey

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Aug 30, 2006, 2:32:10 AM8/30/06
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CWatters wrote:
> "Paul Leyland" <pc...@gen.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:vp0lkp7...@pugwash.gen.cam.ac.uk...
> > Why do you think I went searching? Until that report came along I didn't
>
>>even know it was possible to get the PO not to send me unaddressed junk
>>mail.
>
>
> Nor me. That postie has done us all a favour.

By potentially reducing an income-stream which subsidises our stamps?

Douglas de Lacey

Nick Wagg

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Aug 30, 2006, 4:04:43 AM8/30/06
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"CWatters" <colin....@turnersNOSPAMoak.plus.net> wrote in message
news:44f49cc5$0$2681$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...

>
> According to comments by post office management in the Times you have to
> use
> the right form. Simply writing to them isn't enough.

All right, all right, we heard you the first time.


Andrew

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Aug 30, 2006, 5:01:28 AM8/30/06
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Paul Gotch wrote:
> Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5294708.stm
>
> > "A postman who advised people how to stop junk mail being
> > delivered to their home could lose his job after bosses
> > suspended him for misconduct."
>
> Makes sense at least from Royal Mail's point of view. A very large

> proportion of Royal Mails revenue is derived from delivering junk mail. They
> don't want to bite hand that feeds them.
>

But probably a bit of a home goal from the management since all the
media publicity surrounding the case will have alerted a lot of people
who previously didn't know about the service.

Andrew

Message has been deleted

Roland Perry

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Aug 30, 2006, 5:34:34 AM8/30/06
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In message <1156928488....@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, at
02:01:28 on Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Andrew <andrew...@hotmail.com>
remarked:

>But probably a bit of a home goal from the management since all the
>media publicity surrounding the case will have alerted a lot of people
>who previously didn't know about the service.

There's no "probably" about it. It's all over the newspaper front pages
today, and on the TV news.
--
Roland Perry

Tony Finch

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Aug 30, 2006, 6:23:37 AM8/30/06
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Douglas de Lacey <de...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:

>CWatters wrote:
>>
>> Nor me. That postie has done us all a favour.
>
>By potentially reducing an income-stream which subsidises our stamps?

By reducing the amount of tax we have to spend on handling the extra rubbish.

Tony.
--
f.a.n.finch <d...@dotat.at> http://dotat.at/
FAIR ISLE FAEROES SOUTHEAST ICELAND: NORTHWESTERLY 5 OR 6 BECOMING VARIABLE 3
OR 4, THEN EASTERLY 5 OR 6 IN SOUTHWEST LATER. RAIN OR SHOWERS. MODERATE OR
GOOD.

Brian Watson

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Aug 30, 2006, 6:28:37 AM8/30/06
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"Tony Finch" <d...@dotat.at> wrote in message
news:jHh*kN...@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...

> Douglas de Lacey <de...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>>CWatters wrote:
>>>
>>> Nor me. That postie has done us all a favour.
>>
>>By potentially reducing an income-stream which subsidises our stamps?
>
> By reducing the amount of tax we have to spend on handling the extra
> rubbish.

Yes. I'm on the side on the postie too.

--
Brian


Anne Rogers

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Aug 30, 2006, 9:02:01 AM8/30/06
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> There's no "probably" about it. It's all over the newspaper front pages
> today, and on the TV news.

and the address was very clearly, slowly and carefully read out several
times on radio 4 yesterday

Anne


Anne Rogers

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Aug 30, 2006, 9:03:22 AM8/30/06
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> Given how little I use the post these days, given the choice between
> no more junk on the dormat and a few pence on a stamp, I know where my
> preference would lie.

absolutely, I'm a firm believer in paying the price that something costs,
which is why farm subsidies drive me round the bend, less farm subsidies
ought to mean less tax and then we could pay the necessary price increase.

Anne


Gropius Riftwynde

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Aug 30, 2006, 10:19:35 AM8/30/06
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You are assuming that if something costs less to produce, then the
producers and retalers will pass on the cost benefit to you. Ths may
well work with some products, but don't assume that it will work with
food, for example.

---
GR

Jonathan Schneider

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Aug 30, 2006, 12:32:07 PM8/30/06
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Tony Finch <d...@dotat.at> writes:

> Douglas de Lacey <de...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>>CWatters wrote:
>>>
>>> Nor me. That postie has done us all a favour.
>>
>>By potentially reducing an income-stream which subsidises our stamps?
>
> By reducing the amount of tax we have to spend on handling the extra rubbish.

Very true. But I am also worried about accidently binning proper mail
while sorting, sometimes quite fast, all the crap that comes through
the door.

Jon

CWatters

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Aug 30, 2006, 3:10:15 PM8/30/06
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"Douglas de Lacey" <de...@cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:ed3bi4$130$3...@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk...

I'd rather pay the full price of stamps and have the post office pay me to
sorth the real post from the junk.


CWatters

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Sep 1, 2006, 3:59:11 PM9/1/06
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Post Office Customer Care number - 08457 740740
Email address - opt...@royalmail.com

Postal Address:

Door to Door Opt Out
Royal Mail
Kingsmead House
Oxpens Road
Oxford
OX1 1RX


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